Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted
My name is Zach Abramowitz and I am Legally Disrupted. This podcast covers the trends disrupting the legal profession. Once a mild mannered practicing attorney, I now am an entrepreneur and investor in disruptive legal startups. My company, Killer Whale Strategies, helps law firms, legal departments, and anyone else capitalize on the wave of disruption sweeping over the legal industry. Join me as I spotlight key players, significant trends, and innovative companies who are shaking up an age old profession.
Episodes

Thursday Mar 20, 2025
E20 - From Legacy ML To Generative AI: Serial Legaltech Entrepreneur Charlie Connor
Thursday Mar 20, 2025
Thursday Mar 20, 2025
In this episode, Zach and Charlie delve into the rapid advancements in AI, particularly in the legal tech sector. The discussion transitions to the increasing caliber of entrepreneurs in legal tech and the acceleration of innovation in the field. They reflect on the evolution of legal AI from 2015 to 2023, noting the shift from mere ideas to full-blown products. The conversation also explores the potential for AI to reshape traditional legal processes, improve efficiency, and alter the way legal professionals approach their work, concluding with an optimistic outlook on the future of legal tech.
In this episode:
The Rise of Legal Tech Entrepreneurs
AI's Impact on Legal Tech
Challenges and Opportunities in AI Adoption
The Evolution of Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM)
Applying Machine Learning in Legal Tech
Generative AI vs. Automation
AI as a Legal Assistant
Training Lawyers with AI
AI in eDiscovery
The Future of Legal Tech
Learn More:
Charlie - https://gravitystack.com/
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Charlie - https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlieconnor
Gravity Stack - https://www.linkedin.com/company/gravity-stack-law-llc
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Tuesday Mar 18, 2025
Tuesday Mar 18, 2025
In this episode, Zach speaks with Legora's head of strategic partnerships and community, Chris Williams, about the rebranding journey and the strategic role of Legora in the AI-driven legal tech landscape. The discussion covers the responsibilities of his role, the transition from selling no-code, low-code platforms to generative AI, and the significant shift in how AI is transforming legal practices. The episode also explores differences between Legora and other AI tools like Harvey, the challenges and opportunities in the market, and the future direction for legal professionals using AI. Tune in to learn about Legora's mission to build the world's first truly collaborative AI for lawyers, enhancing strategic business development while reducing non-billable work.
Discover:
The Role and Responsibilities at Legora
Transition from Selling Traditional Tech to AI
The Impact of Generative AI in Legal Tech
Rebranding from Leya to Legora
Collaborative AI for Lawyers
Adoption of AI in Law Firms and In-House Teams
Comparing Legora and Harvey
The Future of Legal Work with AI
Connecting with Legora at Legal Week
Career Opportunities at Legora
Learn More:
Chris - Legora.com
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Chris - linkedin.com/in/chriswiiiiams/
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Monday Mar 10, 2025
Monday Mar 10, 2025
Zach, Ken and Josh talk about the upcoming three day conference in Myrtle Beach focusing on AI, Cybersecurity and Data Governance. Attendees will have opportunities to interact with cutting-edge AI companies and products.The event features specific presentations, including those by startup community members, covering practical AI applications in fields like legal finance, pricing, collections, and timekeeping.
Register - https://www.iltanet.org/live-events/evolve#speak
Follow Along:
Josh Smith https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuadsmithcissp/
Ken Jones https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennethejones/
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
Learn More:
https://www.legallydisrupted.com/

Thursday Feb 27, 2025
E17 - How AI Has Tech Companies Pivoting with Eleanor Lightbody, CEO of Luminance
Thursday Feb 27, 2025
Thursday Feb 27, 2025
In this episode, Zach interviews Eleanor Lightbody, the CEO of Luminance, about her journey from working at Darktrace to leading Luminance, a legal tech company. Eleanor shares insights from her four years as CEO, highlighting the transformative impact of AI in the legal tech space. They discuss Luminance's growth strategy, the development of their contract lifecycle management tool, and the shift from M&A-specific uses to a broader, more inclusive approach. Eleanor also delves into how generative AI is changing user expectations and behaviors, and emphasizes the importance of balancing current customer needs with future innovations through a specialized 'blue sky thinking' team. Follow Luminance's developments on LinkedIn, their website, and at key industry conferences like Legal Week.
Eleanor's Background
Journey at Darktrace
Transition to Luminance
Growth and Strategy at Luminance
Evolution of Luminance's Focus
Impact of Generative AI
Future Vision and Blue Sky Thinking
Learn More:
Eleanor - https://www.luminance.com/team.html
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Eleanor - https://www.linkedin.com/in/eleanor-lightbody-69a6b784/
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Thursday Feb 13, 2025
Thursday Feb 13, 2025
In this engaging conversation, Ilona and Evan discuss their roles and experiences in leading innovation within their respective law firms, Cleary Gottlieb and Fisher Phillips. Ilona, the Director of Practice Innovation at Cleary, shares her journey from McKinsey to leading a transformation journey at Cleary. Evan, the Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Fisher Phillips, talks about his shift from labor and employment law into knowledge management and legal technology. The discussion covers their strategies for partnering with early-stage companies, the impact of generative AI on the legal industry, the importance of being thought leaders, and the challenges and opportunities of incorporating AI into legal practices. They also delve into the long-term benefits of working with startups, AI governance, and the future trajectory of AI in redefining the value proposition of the legal profession.
Topics discussed:
IIona's Journey and Role at Cleary
Evan's Career Path and Role at Fisher Phillips
The Impact of Generative AI on Legal Tech
Pre-Generative AI Adoption Strategies
Evaluating Startups and Early Partnerships
Risk Management and AI Governance
Learn More:
Ilona - https://www.pli.edu/faculty/ilona-logvinova-i2002979
Evan - https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/people/evan-shenkman.html
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Ilona - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilonalogvinova
Evan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/evan-shenkman-5445123
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Wednesday Jan 22, 2025
Wednesday Jan 22, 2025
Katya Fisher introduces her journey from a practicing attorney to a tech entrepreneur. She shares her experience of building a successful law practice during the Great Recession and how she acquired a unique set of legal skills. Katya talks about the inefficiencies in the legal world that led her to build Aracor.ai, a legal tech product tailored for in-house counsel of investment firms such as venture capital funds, private equity groups, and family offices.
Learn More:
Aracor - https://www.aracor.ai/
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Katya - https://www.linkedin.com/in/katyafisher/
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Monday Dec 02, 2024
E14 - Are the Lines Blurring Between DMS and AI? NetDocuments CPO Dan Hauck
Monday Dec 02, 2024
Monday Dec 02, 2024
In this episode recorded at the NetDocuments Inspire EMEA conference in London, Dan Hauck outlines the strides made in integrating AI into legal document management. The discussion begins with a reflection on a previous webinar and the decision to avoid common, simplistic AI solutions like chatbots, instead focusing on using LLMs for intelligent document tagging. The development and features of NetDocuments' AI suite, ndMax, are detailed, emphasizing automated processes like semantic search, document metadata enrichment, and contract summarization. The conversation also touches on the importance of embedding AI seamlessly into existing workflows to enhance the work experience for attorneys, improve client service, and retain top talent. Additionally, they explore future enhancements, the integration of custom legal applications, and the overarching strategy of simplifying AI use within the platform.
AI in Legal: A Thoughtful Approach
Developing ndMax: Tackling Legal Challenges with AI
The Shift to Semantic Search
Building Legal Apps with ndMax
AI Integration and Lawyer Experience
Simply Intelligent: The New Messaging
Learn More:
Dan - NetDocuments.com
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Dan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danhauck
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Thursday Nov 28, 2024
E13 - Are Law Firms Succeeding with GenAI? Joe Cohen, Director of Innovation at CRS
Thursday Nov 28, 2024
Thursday Nov 28, 2024
In this episode, Joe Cohen, Director of Advanced Client Solutions at Charles Russell Speechlys, discusses his recent career change and the establishment of a new department at the firm focusing on legal tech, generative AI, legal project management, and process improvement. Joe details the triggers for creating the innovation department and the rapid adoption of generative AI platforms within the firm. He shares insights from the recent Legal Innovators conference panel, the impact of AI on value-based pricing, and its transformative potential on both the practice of law and business models. Joe also explores the challenges and future possibilities of AI in the legal sector, including data limitations and evolving regulatory landscapes.
Creating an Innovation Department
Generative AI Implementation
Value-Based Pricing and AI
Future of Legal AI and Data Challenges
Learn More:
https://www.legalinnovators.co.uk/
Joe - https://www.charlesrussellspeechlys.com/en/people/j/joe-cohen/
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Joe - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joecohen13/
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Tuesday Aug 27, 2024
Tuesday Aug 27, 2024
In episode 12 of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted, Zach interviews Jeff Franke and Connie Brenton, co-founders of LegalOps.com, ahead of their upcoming conference, "Running Legal Like a Business," in Las Vegas from September 3-6. The discussion highlights the evolution of legal operations, emphasizing the need for community and industry standards, which they aim to foster through their platform.
Learn more about the conference "Running Legal Like a Business" - https://event-2024.legalops.com/
Learn More:
Legal Ops - legalops.com, lawvision.com
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

Thursday Aug 22, 2024
E11 - Is Harvey.ai All Hype? Giupedi CEO Edward Bukstel
Thursday Aug 22, 2024
Thursday Aug 22, 2024
In this episode of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted, dive into the world of digital health and legal technology with a seasoned entrepreneur who has been at the forefront of healthcare technology since the late 1980s. The discussion covers the evolution of electronic health records, the intersection of digital health and legal tech, and the challenges faced by lawyers in adopting new technologies. Edward Bukstel shares insights on his current venture, which aims to streamline the process for personal injury cases and improve communication between clients and lawyers. The conversation also touches on the competitive landscape of legal tech, particularly the emergence of companies like Harvey.ai and the implications of AI in the legal field.
Learn More:
Edward - https://medium.com/@Connected_Dots, https://www.giupedi.com/
Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
Follow Along:
Edward - https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-bukstel-33987a2/
Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
